Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.24 15:55:00 -
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I find the level of stupid in all these threads mind boggling.
First moving Ice out of High is a bad idea. Beyond that what's the point of doing so? To give the Null Sec power blocks another monopoly of a critical element of the overall game economy?
Guess that must be the idea behind taking ABC's out of WHs to. After all they're ability to monopolize that resource is being undermined.
Ice mining is one of the least lucrative activities in Eve. a perfect skilled Mack pilot with Orca support can at best make roughly 9-10 mil isk an hour in high sec, this is hardly game breaking.
The argument that this is somehow a way to discourage botting is just ludicrous, any botter who's mining ice is an idiot, because that same bot could be earning double mining Veldspar.
Further we all know there are no bots in Null 
If there is a problem with mining it's that there are too many competing sources for minerals and not enough sources for ISK.
You want to help miners out? Remove all the junk loot from missions and up the ISK rewards to compensate, Remove drone poo and stick bounties back on them.
Not enough? Roll back the insurance nerf.
And don't give me that crap about inflation, inflation is not and quite frankly cannot be a problem in EVE.
Isk isn't money in the same way that real world dollars are. Isk is just another resource that is harvested that happens to be the agreed upon exchange medium while money is the creation of a central bank which directly controls the supply of said currency.
If too much isk is being generated people will switch to production or other non-isk harvesting activities something that simply can not be done in the real world. So no, inflation will never be a problem in EVE.
The problem with industry in Null and low is a little bit psychological on the part of null residents, and a lot to do with the fragility and lack of mobility of industrial ships.
If exhumers were significantly tougher and or quicker you'd see more Null and low mining. If Orca's weren't slower and less agile than a freighter you'd see more low and null mining.
If Rorqual's could field fighters and didn't have to turn themselves into sitting ducks for ten minute stretches you'd see more low and null mining.
The reality is that null and low are simply too much hassle for anyone not deep inside a power blocks sovereign space to mess with. Further industrialists aren't respected by the PVP community who think they should be getting discount pricing on everything and getting butthurt when the industrialist wants to make a modest profit. Yet I'm pretty sure you don't see them splitting the isk they get from ratting and plexing with the rest of their corp in a good communist fashion.
The fact is that trying to push everyone into null to accomplish anything in the game is a bad idea. Many of us simply don't have the time to commit.
I recently looked into doing so myself. I resigned my directorship from RVB wrote up a post on the recruiting forum and started looking only to figure out after spending a couple weeks just trying to figure out who was who down there that I really just didn't have the time to commit to that lifestyle.
Take my options to do my little thing in high sec and you take away my motivation to bother paying for the game. I'm already about half ready to cancel my accounts over the MT and saved ship fitting nerf, make high sec life untenable and it ceases to be worth it for me to pay $60 bucks a month to play this game.
Ice mining has a niche where it's a good activity for people who want to make a little isk while doing other things with minimal interaction. It's low attention and low risk but it's also low reward. I make about $50 mil a night doing it using 4 accounts over a roughly 4 hour period. An amount just about sufficient to keep me in ships and modules for PVP if I don't lose too many shinnies.
No one is getting space rich off it though.
Not compared to other activities.
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